1 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,500 Eerie Investigations meet Peter Joseph 2 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,570 Director of Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist Addendum 3 00:00:53,050 --> 00:00:56,810 Zeitgeist, meaning spirit or mood of the time, 4 00:00:56,950 --> 00:00:58,960 is the film of the time. 5 00:00:59,090 --> 00:01:01,780 Produced as a personal creative project, 6 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,950 it was made available on the Internet 7 00:01:04,090 --> 00:01:07,040 and quickly became a global phenomenon. 8 00:01:07,190 --> 00:01:11,000 Its comprehensive coverage of the facts behind Religion, 9 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,810 9/11 and the finance system 10 00:01:13,950 --> 00:01:16,930 caused such an explosion in popularity 11 00:01:17,070 --> 00:01:22,360 that Google's video counters reached their limits at 15 million views. 12 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:28,390 In October 2008, the second film "Zeitgeist: Addendum" was released. 13 00:01:28,530 --> 00:01:32,770 Covering the banking system, its negative effects on humanity 14 00:01:32,910 --> 00:01:37,500 and designs for an alternative, new and improved future. 15 00:01:37,690 --> 00:01:41,720 Peter Joseph, Director of "Zeitgeist" and "Zeitgeist: Addendum" 16 00:01:41,860 --> 00:01:45,190 talks with us about his reasons and inspirations 17 00:01:45,330 --> 00:01:51,200 for creating both films, and his hopes for the future of Humankind. 18 00:01:54,100 --> 00:01:58,000 Hi Peter, thank you so much for finding the time to talk to us today. 19 00:01:58,140 --> 00:02:01,780 I know you've had a really busy schedule while you've been in England. 20 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,760 And, obviously we're here to talk about "Zeitgeist" - Of course. 21 00:02:04,900 --> 00:02:07,550 - "Zeitgeist: Addendum" - Thank you for having me. 22 00:02:07,690 --> 00:02:11,420 It's fantastic, we're so pleased about that. 23 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,920 First, before we kind of jump into "Zeitgeist" 24 00:02:14,060 --> 00:02:16,380 If you could just tell me 25 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,100 a little bit about yourself, what you do, your background, 26 00:02:20,790 --> 00:02:23,780 and why you started this project? 27 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:28,380 Well, as a commercial producer in New York, 28 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,910 it was very unfulfilling for the most part. 29 00:02:31,050 --> 00:02:34,950 You walk the line, you have your job as anyone does, 30 00:02:35,090 --> 00:02:38,580 and ultimately, I've always had other aspirations creatively 31 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,590 so I was engaged in other projects such as film making projects, 32 00:02:42,730 --> 00:02:45,810 off-Broadway projects and multimedia projects. 33 00:02:45,950 --> 00:02:49,670 So I had a pattern of doing this independently, on my own, in New York 34 00:02:49,810 --> 00:02:52,240 even though it was never really for money or anything like that. 35 00:02:52,380 --> 00:02:55,420 And as time went on I started to realize that there's a lot of 36 00:02:55,500 --> 00:02:59,200 really terrible, sinister issues going on in the world 37 00:02:59,340 --> 00:03:02,150 and I decided that it would be to my advantage 38 00:03:02,290 --> 00:03:06,560 and to the advantage of society and actually to my own satisfaction, 39 00:03:08,130 --> 00:03:10,810 to do something that would have not just 40 00:03:10,950 --> 00:03:13,130 an artistic element for the sake of art, but something 41 00:03:13,270 --> 00:03:15,570 that would actually be beneficial to the system, 42 00:03:15,710 --> 00:03:18,100 because art without conscience, in a lot of ways 43 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,150 is kind of meaningless, I've come to find. 44 00:03:20,290 --> 00:03:23,310 I think as time moves forward, you look back at what contributions 45 00:03:23,450 --> 00:03:28,250 of art have really endured, they actually have a great presence 46 00:03:28,390 --> 00:03:31,310 to them as far as how they relate to the human condition. 47 00:03:31,450 --> 00:03:34,340 You go back to J.S. Bach and the Church 48 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,600 and just all of these elements that come forward with art 49 00:03:37,740 --> 00:03:41,760 that has a relevance to it outside of just for the sake of art. 50 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:44,800 So a painting not for the sake of painting, but a painting for the sake of 51 00:03:44,940 --> 00:03:47,030 actually communicating something about humanity 52 00:03:47,170 --> 00:03:49,610 and the social conditions of the time perhaps. 53 00:03:49,750 --> 00:03:54,270 So, "Zeitgeist" was an attempt to combine my artistic interests 54 00:03:54,410 --> 00:03:57,560 with some social cause or social interest. 55 00:03:57,700 --> 00:04:01,430 And I think what triggered it was 9/11 56 00:04:01,570 --> 00:04:05,280 because of how catastrophic the event was, and then as time went on, 57 00:04:05,380 --> 00:04:07,400 information began to come out, 58 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:11,580 about how ridiculous the government's account of the story was, 59 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,470 and then you began to see who actually gained from this, 60 00:04:14,610 --> 00:04:17,800 as time went on, with the wars and the corporations. 61 00:04:17,940 --> 00:04:22,390 So, my initial trigger for "Zeitgeist" the original movie was 9/11, 62 00:04:22,430 --> 00:04:25,680 so to speak. And then as I was approaching this 63 00:04:25,820 --> 00:04:27,900 to create an artistic work representing it 64 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,410 which by the way the original "Zeitgeist" was shown 65 00:04:30,550 --> 00:04:33,860 as a multimedia work in lower Manhattan initially 66 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,400 with no intent to be an actual release, at all. 67 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,650 It was shown for six nights, for free, to an activist group 68 00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:43,600 who came in, and then it was thrown up online afterwards 69 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,220 and then it just happened to erupt with interest. - Exploded. 70 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,490 Which, by the way, put me in a very precarious position, 71 00:04:49,630 --> 00:04:52,030 because I didn't own the rights to a certain amount of it. 72 00:04:52,170 --> 00:04:54,780 It was all friends I had made in the movement and things like this 73 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,400 so I had to retroactively go through this big mess. 74 00:04:58,450 --> 00:05:00,470 As far as the film itself, religion was always 75 00:05:00,570 --> 00:05:02,700 very interesting to me, ever since I was a child. 76 00:05:02,830 --> 00:05:05,890 I was never raised in a really rigid religious environment, 77 00:05:06,030 --> 00:05:08,940 but I was around it to a certain degree. My family's families 78 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,020 were very Catholic, my parents were not particularly religious. 79 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,670 - Yes, I was raised as catholic also. - Right. - And I went 80 00:05:14,710 --> 00:05:16,910 to a Catholic school for a little while so I got to experience this, 81 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:19,440 and as a child, there was always something strange to me. 82 00:05:19,570 --> 00:05:22,150 In one class I'd be in science, and then in one class 83 00:05:22,290 --> 00:05:25,310 I'd go to this little church situation and, even at a young age, 84 00:05:25,450 --> 00:05:28,700 there was a strange dichotomy to me that didn't make any sense. 85 00:05:28,830 --> 00:05:31,460 And not to say that all religions don't have a value. 86 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,750 They actually all very much do, historically. And a lot of people 87 00:05:33,890 --> 00:05:36,310 who see the film get the wrong impression about 88 00:05:36,450 --> 00:05:38,360 what I'm trying to say about religion. 89 00:05:38,500 --> 00:05:40,340 In the first film, I deal with the history of religion 90 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,200 that's sort of a history that no one really talks about 91 00:05:43,330 --> 00:05:46,830 because it's not the established representation. - Pattern. - Right 92 00:05:46,970 --> 00:05:50,800 I must admit that when I first watched that myself, 93 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,280 I was absolutely flabbergasted when you 94 00:05:54,420 --> 00:05:59,460 show how the Christ religion and how many others came in 95 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,400 under very similar situations and that absolutely knocked my socks off 96 00:06:04,540 --> 00:06:06,540 because I never knew anything like that. 97 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,010 - Yes, the dying and resurrecting god man. - That's right! 98 00:06:09,150 --> 00:06:12,510 - Has been going on for millenia, for ages 99 00:06:12,650 --> 00:06:15,780 and it's a symbolic rebirth, as early pagan ideology, 100 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,390 it's where you're born again, all these... - because it goes right to 101 00:06:18,530 --> 00:06:22,000 the Druidism and the Solar Cross, Myth of the sun. 102 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,010 - It's age old, exactly. 103 00:06:24,150 --> 00:06:27,060 And it has multiple symbolisms, apart from the Sun as being its core. 104 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,600 Astrotheology is the terminology used to describe this stellar 105 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:34,070 and solar element that has basically been transmuted 106 00:06:34,210 --> 00:06:37,870 and transformed into the historical religions 107 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,150 that we think these attributes are actual history, when if you look 108 00:06:41,270 --> 00:06:44,200 far enough back, you see that it's basically pure allegory. 109 00:06:44,330 --> 00:06:46,930 And even if there were certain characters that emerged historically 110 00:06:47,070 --> 00:06:49,800 say in Christianity, there probably was somebody 111 00:06:49,940 --> 00:06:53,600 that fulfilled some role that this Christ character assumed. 112 00:06:53,740 --> 00:06:56,100 But by the time the Bible came to fruition, 113 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,000 the Christ character was transformed into a totally mythological figure. 114 00:07:00,140 --> 00:07:05,180 So there really isn't a historical element, there is no documentation of 115 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,120 a historical Christ. In that, it's very challenged, of course... 116 00:07:10,270 --> 00:07:12,340 - So where do we stand with the Bible, 117 00:07:12,470 --> 00:07:16,330 because, there are so many books in there talking about the Christ 118 00:07:16,550 --> 00:07:20,290 so, I guess you must have miffed off a lot of Christians 119 00:07:20,430 --> 00:07:22,530 when you put this out there. - And they misinterpret, I believe, 120 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:25,550 because even if he didn't exist it doesn't matter, 121 00:07:25,690 --> 00:07:28,230 it's the message - It is the message, yes! 122 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:32,660 Religion has a propensity toward materialism, they don't call it 123 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:36,730 materialism, but they hold onto something 124 00:07:36,870 --> 00:07:39,470 and they really can't break away from it 125 00:07:39,610 --> 00:07:42,170 and that's the definition of materialism in my mind. 126 00:07:42,310 --> 00:07:47,230 So to think that, just because this character didn't exist 127 00:07:47,370 --> 00:07:49,690 this demeans the whole thing, is not necessarily the case, 128 00:07:49,830 --> 00:07:53,980 if you want to drive for pure superstition, then yes 129 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,400 it is the case, which of course I don't advocate. 130 00:07:56,540 --> 00:07:59,520 I think philosophy is much more important than 131 00:07:59,740 --> 00:08:03,200 philosophy, superstition is a derogatory sort of term. 132 00:08:03,330 --> 00:08:07,520 But when it comes to these notions of 133 00:08:07,660 --> 00:08:11,850 the man dying for your sins. I think these are misconstrued. 134 00:08:11,990 --> 00:08:14,970 I think there's no real relevance to it. And it's based on this sort of 135 00:08:15,110 --> 00:08:19,000 control mechanism that you are guilty the moment you are born, 136 00:08:19,140 --> 00:08:21,300 and he died for your sins - Original sin 137 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,010 - Yes. It's distorted on one side and then there's also kernels of truth 138 00:08:25,150 --> 00:08:27,210 that speak to the human condition like "love thy neighbor". 139 00:08:27,350 --> 00:08:29,400 - So everything gets mixed up together, doesn't it? 140 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:32,060 - It does, and, to speak a little more about that, 141 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,720 the Christ character is very much composite, because, 142 00:08:34,860 --> 00:08:37,110 there is a lot of dichotomy in his rhetoric. 143 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:40,080 In one passage he says : "I don't bring peace, I bring a sword", 144 00:08:40,220 --> 00:08:43,320 "I want to have your neighbor against neighbor" and then 145 00:08:43,460 --> 00:08:46,220 in another passage it's "Love thy neighbor and love your enemies". 146 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,450 - So it's a bit of a mixed message, isn't it really? 147 00:08:48,580 --> 00:08:51,130 - Well, because it's a composite text, and that makes sense 148 00:08:51,270 --> 00:08:53,890 you find these dichotomies, these ying and yangs 149 00:08:54,030 --> 00:08:57,210 happening through lots of different God men that have existed, 150 00:08:57,350 --> 00:09:00,200 so that's why it's even more proof that it's- 151 00:09:00,340 --> 00:09:04,260 - On the research that you've done on all these different 152 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:11,240 characters in history who come in as religious leaders, icons. 153 00:09:11,380 --> 00:09:16,540 Which ones would you say, actually really, do you believe, did exist? 154 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:19,640 - As far as the major religions? - Any religion 155 00:09:19,770 --> 00:09:22,810 - I think it's obvious that the later religions, there's some of them. 156 00:09:22,950 --> 00:09:26,520 Muhammad existed, that's well documented by historians. 157 00:09:26,660 --> 00:09:28,810 But the farther you go back, the more the characters 158 00:09:28,950 --> 00:09:32,000 become more elusive in their definition. 159 00:09:32,130 --> 00:09:34,280 Buddha, I'd question if Buddha existed. 160 00:09:34,420 --> 00:09:39,400 His symbology is extremely solar, just like Krishna. 161 00:09:39,540 --> 00:09:42,700 And these, of course, are thousands of years before Christ. 162 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:48,660 It's just, almost, I don't really focus on it frankly, 163 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,200 I don't really think if they exist or not it matters, but if you go back 164 00:09:51,340 --> 00:09:54,130 far enough there really is no historical documentation, secular. 165 00:09:54,270 --> 00:09:57,270 So, if you can't find that, then all you're looking at 166 00:09:57,410 --> 00:09:59,490 is the faith based texts, 167 00:09:59,630 --> 00:10:03,120 which are inherently biased because of what they actually are. 168 00:10:03,260 --> 00:10:06,660 So, I really couldn't tell you. I think, obviously, 169 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,100 that Allah didn't exist per se. 170 00:10:09,230 --> 00:10:12,000 It's the god that was a redefined element 171 00:10:12,140 --> 00:10:14,940 from the old testament and the new testament. 172 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:18,070 And then, Muhammad, I guess, 173 00:10:18,210 --> 00:10:20,300 definitely did exist because it was 174 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,650 not that far along, it was 800, 900 years after Christ and there are, 175 00:10:23,790 --> 00:10:26,770 actual historical documentations. I think he's been interpolated, 176 00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:29,130 just as all... all of them have, 177 00:10:29,270 --> 00:10:32,940 they take the prior faiths, and they just build upon it. 178 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,030 They are emerging culminations, but the characters are in the stories. 179 00:10:36,170 --> 00:10:38,680 You tend to find this throughout all religious texts, 180 00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:41,950 even I think, to modern religions, 181 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:45,920 and you find all sorts of strange things, like Scientology, 182 00:10:46,060 --> 00:10:49,200 things like this, that continue these types of patterns. 183 00:10:49,340 --> 00:10:53,830 So, I think the sadness to me is that most religions are arrogant, 184 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:56,240 and they don't realize that they are interconnected. 185 00:10:56,380 --> 00:11:00,000 And I think if they realized it, there wouldn't be so much dispute. 186 00:11:00,140 --> 00:11:02,980 I mean, the problem with religious texts in general 187 00:11:03,090 --> 00:11:05,100 is that they are semantically interpreted. 188 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,180 Christianity alone has about 34,000 different subgroups, 189 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,370 and they all are slightly at odds with each other. 190 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:13,120 The Seventh Day Adventists, you know. They all have these tiny 191 00:11:13,260 --> 00:11:16,100 little variations of interpretation. I believe that's very dichotomous 192 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,420 and, in the end, my major argument 193 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:22,600 towards religion is that it's completely divisive of humanity. 194 00:11:22,740 --> 00:11:26,050 So, It's not progressive. It has crumbs of truth, 195 00:11:26,190 --> 00:11:29,710 but I think it's time most move beyond these dogmas, 196 00:11:29,850 --> 00:11:33,390 and these faiths that really tend to separate humanity because 197 00:11:33,530 --> 00:11:36,230 nothing is going to come positive from that type of awareness 198 00:11:36,370 --> 00:11:40,490 - Well, I was talking to someone the other day about this 199 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,330 we all want to work together as one humanity, but, 200 00:11:46,470 --> 00:11:50,000 it's like, there's groups, and then there's groups within groups. 201 00:11:50,140 --> 00:11:52,940 As I was saying to someone the other day, "You're pink and I'm blue", 202 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,430 we're still trying to aim for the same things, but it just dissects people 203 00:11:56,570 --> 00:12:00,290 all the time. And in this culture where the world is becoming 204 00:12:00,430 --> 00:12:04,010 a smaller place, it's so sad that we're not coming together 205 00:12:04,150 --> 00:12:06,550 and we seem to be spreading further apart. 206 00:12:06,690 --> 00:12:10,380 - Somewhat - Yeah, and it's really sad that, you know, 207 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,080 everybody is in their own camp and they don't want to come together 208 00:12:14,210 --> 00:12:17,660 - Right - Because there's one slight difference 209 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,930 - Sure, everyone sees the differences between each other, 210 00:12:20,070 --> 00:12:23,470 they tend not to see the similarities. 211 00:12:23,610 --> 00:12:26,450 In the new film, I have a quote by Carl Sagan which is very nice, 212 00:12:26,590 --> 00:12:30,350 which is like :"If an extraterrestrial visitor came to the planet, 213 00:12:30,490 --> 00:12:33,190 they would probably recognize all the similarities 214 00:12:33,330 --> 00:12:37,770 between the species, and tend to see differences as trivial" 215 00:12:37,910 --> 00:12:39,920 because we all function in the same environment, 216 00:12:40,030 --> 00:12:43,920 we all have the same needs fundamentally. 217 00:12:44,060 --> 00:12:47,430 So I think it's a flaw of consciousness that's happened. 218 00:12:47,570 --> 00:12:50,810 And I would say, to give it a rhetorical kind of notion, 219 00:12:50,950 --> 00:12:53,980 we're barely out of the jungle on this planet as far as consciousness. 220 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,170 - Exactly! - So you know, I think, through time, and that's why 221 00:12:57,310 --> 00:13:00,020 I've made the films that I do, I talk about the topics that I do, 222 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:05,140 people will realize that this infighting, and I think it slightly comes from 223 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,910 the restrictions of our language, because in order for me to 224 00:13:09,050 --> 00:13:11,670 describe something to you, I have to separate things 225 00:13:11,810 --> 00:13:14,020 into words : this is a table, this is a glass. 226 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,720 So division is inherent in our cognitive awareness, 227 00:13:17,860 --> 00:13:20,790 but we haven't reached a spiritual awareness enough to know that 228 00:13:20,930 --> 00:13:24,200 even though this is a glass, it's still made of the same thing as this table 229 00:13:24,330 --> 00:13:27,400 and the fact that it's separate from this table is actually quite suspect. 230 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:30,280 It just looks that way because of our five sense reality. 231 00:13:30,420 --> 00:13:32,200 Molecularly, when you get into quantum mechanics 232 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:35,980 and high levels of science, it's more of like a sea of molecules 233 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,400 that sort of intermerge, and there's different things 234 00:13:39,540 --> 00:13:42,380 that happen over time, time spans that are so vast 235 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,850 that we can't really recognize, so we don't see them. 236 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:46,780 Like, if I have my hand on here long enough, it's going to make 237 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,080 an imprint on this table, through the chemicals 238 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,090 that will emerge... - That's right - ...and come together. 239 00:13:51,190 --> 00:13:54,200 So there's no separation, it's an illusion 240 00:13:54,340 --> 00:13:57,840 that there's any type of separation. - Just as well, on that subject, 241 00:13:57,980 --> 00:14:00,120 I know it's slightly going off the beaten track. 242 00:14:00,260 --> 00:14:03,820 But, talking about things making an imprint : 243 00:14:04,170 --> 00:14:07,510 sound and vision, ghosts, 244 00:14:07,850 --> 00:14:09,940 I know I'm throwing it into the pot there, but, 245 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,250 things are being recorded, like we're recording this now. 246 00:14:13,390 --> 00:14:17,180 That's something that could come in where things are stuck in time, 247 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,800 and then something triggers it off. What do you think about that? 248 00:14:20,940 --> 00:14:23,690 I've never really given much thought to that specifically, but I think 249 00:14:23,830 --> 00:14:26,740 there's a lot of possibilities out there that we don't have the ability 250 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,030 to recognize. The problem with the human mind typically is that we only 251 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:32,280 see what we have been conditioned to see. 252 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,510 And I mean that very literally. 253 00:14:34,610 --> 00:14:36,670 There's been tests done, psychological tests 254 00:14:36,810 --> 00:14:40,590 where you can have a picture and one side of it will be, 255 00:14:40,730 --> 00:14:45,080 inside the picture will be multiple symbologies. And it'll gauge 256 00:14:45,220 --> 00:14:48,190 someone's mentality, someone's particular state of mind at that point. 257 00:14:48,330 --> 00:14:51,050 So, say someone's angry and they show this picture, the person 258 00:14:51,190 --> 00:14:54,050 will immediately recognize the negative attribute in the picture. 259 00:14:54,190 --> 00:14:57,540 If someone is happy, they find the positive attribute in the picture. 260 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,580 So I think we project, like crazy, 261 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,600 so things that are outside of our general consciousness, 262 00:15:03,740 --> 00:15:06,370 I think the reason that they're not recognized by many 263 00:15:06,510 --> 00:15:09,270 is because they don't have the vocabulary to recognize it. 264 00:15:09,410 --> 00:15:11,810 So, phenomenon that would be considered, 265 00:15:11,950 --> 00:15:14,470 supernatural, to whatever that might mean. 266 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,480 Well, I would say that generally speaking that everything is natural, 267 00:15:17,620 --> 00:15:19,660 there is no such thing as supernatural. It's only supernatural 268 00:15:19,780 --> 00:15:23,490 to the extent that... - We don't understand it, yes. 269 00:15:23,630 --> 00:15:26,900 So, things like a ghost, whatever that is, which we say it's something 270 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,530 like that, we have a cognitive notion of what it could be. 271 00:15:30,670 --> 00:15:32,960 But these figments that could occur 272 00:15:33,070 --> 00:15:35,190 could actually be many, many different things. 273 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,420 And most that would experience that are too closed 274 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,240 to recognize that in general. - Exactly,Well I always liken it to, 275 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,700 my expression has always been : "it's a higher science 276 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,500 that we haven't quite discovered how it works yet. 277 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,400 You know, when we say, like, you say, supernatural phenomena, 278 00:15:53,540 --> 00:15:56,340 and then somewhere, further on down the line it's explained, 279 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,450 and then people go, "Oh, that's how it works" - Yeah, just like back 280 00:15:59,590 --> 00:16:02,840 in the old days they thought ghosts would possess you, and give you 281 00:16:02,980 --> 00:16:05,620 illnesses. - Yeah, we've moved on a bit since then, I hope. 282 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,760 - Well yeah. And we'll continue to move on and 283 00:16:07,890 --> 00:16:10,690 discover all sorts of nuances of unexplained things that will 284 00:16:10,830 --> 00:16:13,950 eventually be explained by understandings and 285 00:16:14,090 --> 00:16:17,910 technological understandings that we can recognize. I think 286 00:16:18,030 --> 00:16:21,290 it's an obvious pattern. And that's the unique thing about knowledge. 287 00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:24,080 There's no such thing as tangible knowledge or there's no such thing 288 00:16:24,220 --> 00:16:28,200 as a smart person. It's just a matter of time before everything we know 289 00:16:28,330 --> 00:16:33,100 is basically transformed or eradicated and built upon. - It's like a child. 290 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,860 A child being in nursery school as opposed to a professor 291 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,630 being in a university, it's just that professor has had 292 00:16:41,770 --> 00:16:44,350 the time to learn everything that he's learned. 293 00:16:44,490 --> 00:16:47,600 So it doesn't mean to say that child, because he's ignorant of 294 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:51,300 knowledge, will not reach that status at one point in its life. 295 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,350 - Right - And also, we were talking about frequencies, 296 00:16:54,490 --> 00:16:58,020 and what you just said before was, "We see what we want to see". 297 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,860 - Very often, yes - Because a lot of the time, we block things out, 298 00:17:01,010 --> 00:17:04,760 because, possibly, it's just too much for our brains to want to take in 299 00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:07,340 - Possibly - we just don't want the knowledge - Right 300 00:17:07,470 --> 00:17:09,840 And it just reminds me of a story, I don't know if you've heard this 301 00:17:09,980 --> 00:17:12,670 and I think it might have been Paul McKenna, I'm not sure 302 00:17:12,810 --> 00:17:16,290 a hypnotist over here I don't know if you've heard of him. 303 00:17:16,430 --> 00:17:21,470 And he was on stage, and there was a chap where 304 00:17:21,610 --> 00:17:25,260 he had this watch on, and there was the child, who was in front, 305 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,630 of like the hypnotist and saying, "What's, what's on the watch?" 306 00:17:28,770 --> 00:17:31,360 But he couldn't see because the child was there, but he could see 307 00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:34,220 right through the child to see what the inscription 308 00:17:34,460 --> 00:17:36,930 on the watch was, so how could he do that? - That's fascinating 309 00:17:37,070 --> 00:17:40,480 - So he was, the hypnotist made him block out 310 00:17:40,620 --> 00:17:43,040 what was in front of him, the child, 311 00:17:43,170 --> 00:17:45,420 which was blocking the view to the watch, and he could see 312 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,320 right through it, he could give the inscription and everything 313 00:17:48,460 --> 00:17:51,200 and I was just absolutely amazed by that. So it just goes to show 314 00:17:51,340 --> 00:17:57,470 that you can tune and see, going on to the molecular level. - Sure. 315 00:17:57,610 --> 00:18:01,440 - So you can see through the fog as they might say. - Right 316 00:18:01,580 --> 00:18:06,010 - And just as we're on that subject of seeing 317 00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:09,090 the real picture, because this is what we're talking about to do 318 00:18:09,210 --> 00:18:12,310 with "Zeitgeist", is seeing the real picture, 319 00:18:12,510 --> 00:18:15,740 I feel like, and I don't know if you feel like this, 320 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,410 that sometimes we are just being tuned in on a frequency 321 00:18:19,550 --> 00:18:23,550 just so all we say is what certain bodies want us to say. 322 00:18:23,690 --> 00:18:27,160 - Well, sure, that I think you could say that the mass media does that 323 00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:31,050 on a daily basis, so they've created this illusion of terrorism. 324 00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:34,260 - Exactly - Which is statistically irrelevant. 325 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,440 As far as, the odds of any of us dying 326 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:39,430 in a terrorist act are virtually zero. 327 00:18:39,570 --> 00:18:41,850 But yet, you turn on a television and that seems to be 328 00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:44,140 a very common topic continuously. 329 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,980 And then they change the language so now the war in, say, Iraq, 330 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:52,850 is no longer a war against insurgents; it's a war against terrorism. 331 00:18:52,990 --> 00:18:56,850 So then you have this nonsense that's perpetually built upon, 332 00:18:56,990 --> 00:18:59,630 and they did the same thing, you know, with communism, 333 00:18:59,770 --> 00:19:03,140 they did the same. They just need these enemies for that example. 334 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,520 But, the media tells us what to think, and it creates a state of mind. 335 00:19:07,660 --> 00:19:10,670 We tend to absorb that and create an identity with it 336 00:19:10,810 --> 00:19:12,360 and then we end up projecting it. 337 00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:16,230 So, that's the thing about, we're so influenced 338 00:19:16,370 --> 00:19:21,230 that we have to be very careful in how we behave, in multiple levels. 339 00:19:21,370 --> 00:19:23,600 That's one of the things about consciousness that 340 00:19:23,740 --> 00:19:27,080 many don't really realize. Coming to the new film, 341 00:19:27,220 --> 00:19:31,120 one of the things that I talk about is the free market system, 342 00:19:31,260 --> 00:19:35,870 or what I call more generally, the monetaryism, 343 00:19:36,010 --> 00:19:38,640 as a general distinction, which is more of an invented word. 344 00:19:38,770 --> 00:19:40,730 Where all societies, it doesn't matter what they are, if they're 345 00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:45,410 communists, socialists, fascists or even free market capitalists; 346 00:19:45,550 --> 00:19:49,140 They all have the same type of competitive structure inherently, 347 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,570 because it still exists, we all exist within scarcity. 348 00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:57,270 So there's a taking mechanism that comes naturally in the environment. 349 00:19:57,410 --> 00:20:00,240 I don't say naturally because that's the way we are. 350 00:20:00,380 --> 00:20:03,610 There's this debate of course between human nature and human behavior, 351 00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:06,500 and nature versus nurture, these attributes. 352 00:20:06,650 --> 00:20:08,890 I tend to find in my understanding, 353 00:20:09,030 --> 00:20:12,850 this brings me back to this point on the awareness, 354 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,160 is that it's mainly, 355 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:19,290 I'd say 90 percent behaviorism is what conducts what we do. 356 00:20:19,420 --> 00:20:23,630 In other words our environment dictates what we, how we communicate, 357 00:20:23,770 --> 00:20:27,150 obviously, I could be born in the middle east, 358 00:20:27,290 --> 00:20:29,940 and I could be born to a Muslim family 359 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,300 and odds are I would be speaking Arabic, and be Muslim. 360 00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:35,490 So, for example religion, 361 00:20:35,850 --> 00:20:39,790 in regards to the same point we were discussing 362 00:20:39,930 --> 00:20:44,860 as far as this brainwashing, so to speak, is the way I would put it, 363 00:20:45,010 --> 00:20:48,030 a sort of conditioning which we touched upon. 364 00:20:48,170 --> 00:20:52,880 It's completely arbitrary to, as far as the established religions. 365 00:20:54,150 --> 00:20:57,700 If you're born in this area, you're most likely gonna be in that religion. 366 00:20:57,860 --> 00:21:00,660 Most people don't think that way, which I find fascinating. 367 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,810 But anyway, that's a little bit of a side track from what I meant to say 368 00:21:02,940 --> 00:21:05,360 as far as the free market, capitalism and everything else. 369 00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:10,070 We live in an environment that rewards competitive and 370 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:15,360 chiseling mentalities. Parasitic mentalities, where all of our 371 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:18,900 established institutions, in order to survive they have to get money, 372 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,350 in order to get money they have to basically fight for it 373 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:24,150 one way or another. They don't call it fighting, they call it 374 00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:27,270 negotiation or they call it this and that - Clever words - 375 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,500 Yes, but what it really is, 376 00:21:29,660 --> 00:21:33,860 the whole species is divided in this "us against them" type of element 377 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:37,190 on a daily basis, just because, in order to survive 378 00:21:37,330 --> 00:21:40,660 you have to do certain things for your own self interest. 379 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,930 You have to take, as opposed to give. And the difference I think is 380 00:21:45,070 --> 00:21:49,220 that our environment now, has conditioned us into this 381 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:53,750 overwhelmingly selfish mentality that really has reached the point 382 00:21:53,890 --> 00:22:00,260 where things like the corruption of the Iraq war, and say a cat burglar 383 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:06,260 there's no difference whatsoever. I broke my thought there for a second, 384 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,920 There's no difference between a cat burglar, needing to survive 385 00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:13,650 because they come from scarcity, or more specifically saying, 386 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,490 where I come from, south central Los Angeles, 387 00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:18,780 there's no jobs, everyone sells drugs. 388 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,360 They're addicted to drugs because they're upset, 389 00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:23,870 because they're in this horrid environment of poverty. 390 00:22:24,010 --> 00:22:25,900 So they do what they have to do to survive. There's no difference 391 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,510 between that type of criminal behavior and, say, the high corporate elite 392 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,430 that chooses to invade a country to take its resources, take it over, 393 00:22:33,570 --> 00:22:35,760 and create all the elements that it wants 394 00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:39,100 for its own personal gain. It's the same mechanism. 395 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,240 And I think that's something that hasn't been realized. 396 00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:44,310 And it's the environment that's to blame for all of this. 397 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:48,010 Granted survival is inherent, it's a genetic base of that we want to live. 398 00:22:48,150 --> 00:22:51,510 But how we conduct our living is based on what we've been taught 399 00:22:51,650 --> 00:22:56,710 as far as what the necessity is. So back to my original point, is that 400 00:22:56,850 --> 00:23:00,840 everything is taken in the system, one way or another, or manipulated. 401 00:23:00,980 --> 00:23:03,210 You manipulate your environment to get what you need one way or another. 402 00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:07,120 If I want a job, I have to go in and convince the boss that I need that job. 403 00:23:07,260 --> 00:23:09,510 If the boss wants to give me a low wage, he has to convince me 404 00:23:09,650 --> 00:23:13,000 that for some reason, they have to give me this wage. I have to convince, 405 00:23:13,140 --> 00:23:16,180 if I go and have to compete with someone else that needs the job. 406 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,810 You could twist this around into all sorts of, you know, seemingly 407 00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:24,030 endless spirals of, like, that's just the way it is, and it's OK 408 00:23:24,170 --> 00:23:27,250 it's not really corrupt. I get these arguments all the time. 409 00:23:27,390 --> 00:23:30,790 - But it changes a person, doesn't it? Because, like you say 410 00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:33,940 you have to become vicious. 411 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,820 - To a certain degree - To get that job, yes you do. 412 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,890 And people say, well you don't have to get that job there 413 00:23:40,030 --> 00:23:42,950 but actually everyone has to work. One way or another 414 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,660 this is one of those things in the system that everyone talks about 415 00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:48,560 and the mechanism is this manipulative, chiseling, 416 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:51,600 parasitic, taking type of mentality. 417 00:23:51,740 --> 00:23:56,000 And my original point, which I've jumped around a lot, is that 418 00:23:56,150 --> 00:23:58,370 I think that the conscious awakening has to occur 419 00:23:58,510 --> 00:24:02,960 when people realize that it's giving and not taking that is the key. 420 00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:06,800 So in a new society, which is what I advocate in the new film, 421 00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:10,760 the shift would have to be that people realize that their integrity 422 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:13,640 is only as good as the integrity of everything else around them. 423 00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:17,470 For example, if I'm walking down the street and I see a homeless person 424 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,310 I know that through time, there might be 425 00:24:19,410 --> 00:24:21,690 a propensity for that homeless person to commit crime. 426 00:24:21,810 --> 00:24:23,930 Because they have to survive, they might have to rob people, 427 00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:26,070 they might have to do what they might have to do; and, 428 00:24:26,170 --> 00:24:29,430 when pushed in a corner, like an animal, in fear, 429 00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:31,990 they're going to do what they have to do to survive. - Exactly, 430 00:24:33,070 --> 00:24:36,120 fight or flight? - Well sure, yes. So, as long as there's 431 00:24:36,260 --> 00:24:39,500 a homeless person, or a person that's deprived, 432 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,300 and abused perhaps, I'm not safe. 433 00:24:42,670 --> 00:24:44,830 And this is something no-one really thinks about 434 00:24:44,970 --> 00:24:48,410 no one's safe in this system in general 435 00:24:48,550 --> 00:24:50,980 because it divides everything up; there's always 436 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:53,240 the "have's" and the "have not's" due to this system 437 00:24:53,380 --> 00:24:56,020 because there's always edges in the system, 438 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,560 there's manipulative edges that certain groups can gain, it's inherent. 439 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:03,130 It's inherently corrupt, basically, is the way I would describe it. 440 00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:05,940 So, in order to combat that, in order to combat say, 441 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,420 someone that is going to rob you and hurt you, which is simultaneous 442 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,070 to combat the corruption of a ruling elite, in my opinion. 443 00:25:13,210 --> 00:25:15,190 You have to start altering the environment and altering 444 00:25:15,290 --> 00:25:17,950 the conscience of the people, and to do that, 445 00:25:18,170 --> 00:25:21,680 people have to realize that they have to start contributing 446 00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:24,600 to the world at large in more of a communal sense. 447 00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:28,030 It can't be all a selfish mechanism, it can't be survival of the fittest, 448 00:25:28,170 --> 00:25:33,360 it can't be the old Adam Smith free market ideology of : 449 00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:36,870 "You preserve yourself, and everyone does things for themselves 450 00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:40,250 and therefore society will work out as a whole by some invisible hand" 451 00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:43,400 which is what he used to claim. I'm not putting down Adam Smith, 452 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,260 he did say a lot of good things, I'm just using that as an example. 453 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,940 He's one of the fathers of this free market system. 454 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,770 And it's also related to all other forms, not just the free market. 455 00:25:51,910 --> 00:25:54,490 People think I'm just attacking Capitalism and things like that. 456 00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:57,360 I've been working on this concept called "The Zeitgeist Movement" 457 00:25:57,510 --> 00:26:01,300 which is an attempt at a grassroots conscience awakening 458 00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:04,840 environmental shift for literally the species 459 00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:06,860 as ambitious as that might sound. 460 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,380 You tend to find most movements are politically oriented, 461 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,010 they're regional, they're specific to certain things. 462 00:26:12,150 --> 00:26:16,190 I've yet to see something that really would attempt to unite humanity, 463 00:26:16,290 --> 00:26:19,440 especially with an actual tangible train of thought, 464 00:26:19,580 --> 00:26:23,010 not just, you know, hyperbole of idealism. 465 00:26:23,150 --> 00:26:25,840 So, after the first film came out, everyone asked me 466 00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:28,930 what do we do about these issues, what do we do about these problems 467 00:26:29,180 --> 00:26:31,560 and I thought about it, of course, myself. 468 00:26:32,190 --> 00:26:35,000 The first film doesn't give much of an answer to anything like that, 469 00:26:35,140 --> 00:26:38,210 except at the very end when I talk about consciousness in general, 470 00:26:38,350 --> 00:26:40,750 the need for people to realize how they are interconnected. 471 00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:44,250 Very quickly I denote that through a few different personalities 472 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,810 at the very end, which I actually pick up with in the new film. 473 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,700 What I found, through my research, as I was approaching the new film 474 00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:54,640 I discovered was a man named Jacque Fresco 475 00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:57,320 and a project called "The Venus Project". 476 00:26:57,460 --> 00:26:59,260 Jacque Fresco is about 92 years old now, 477 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,830 he's been working his entire life thinking about social design 478 00:27:02,970 --> 00:27:05,100 thinking about something you typically never hear about. 479 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,520 Where you actually design society to benefit society 480 00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:13,100 as opposed to this kind of environment we are in now, 481 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:16,640 where everything is just kind of a free for all, with different levels 482 00:27:16,780 --> 00:27:19,980 of differential advantage, everyone wants to sell something. 483 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,280 Nothing really gets done in our current society unless money 484 00:27:22,420 --> 00:27:25,270 can be made from it. There are all sorts of problems such as the fact 485 00:27:25,410 --> 00:27:28,280 that we think we live in a free society. Well you may be free enough to 486 00:27:28,420 --> 00:27:31,990 step out your door and walk down the street and go buy things. 487 00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:34,860 But you're only as free as your purchasing power will allow you to be. 488 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,360 - Exactly - So really, there's no such thing in a monetary system 489 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:41,270 as a free country, it doesn't exist. 490 00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:46,920 So, you're a slave to a corporate structure, basically, very simply put. 491 00:27:47,150 --> 00:27:49,510 Essentially Jacque Fresco, 492 00:27:49,650 --> 00:27:52,700 presented new ideas to me I had never thought about, 493 00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:55,110 and it took a long time for me to absorb, like I think 494 00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:57,240 a lot of people, when they first hear about these ideas, 495 00:27:57,380 --> 00:27:59,470 it takes a very long time for them to realize, because they've been 496 00:27:59,610 --> 00:28:01,760 so indoctrinated into this, sort of, 497 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:05,080 freedom oriented capitalist connotation, 498 00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:07,830 or free market connotation where they think that, 499 00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:09,970 they associate freedom with the fact that they go and 500 00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:12,500 they can buy whatever they want. They can buy from, 501 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,770 they can choose from 75 types of cereal in a grocery store 502 00:28:15,850 --> 00:28:18,800 yet there is only two political parties in their country. - Exactly 503 00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:20,700 - There's a massive disconnect - That's crazy isn't it? - 504 00:28:20,830 --> 00:28:23,360 And they have no idea that democracy is a complete illusion 505 00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:25,900 because in a true democracy, well first of all, 506 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,260 whatever a true democracy may be is actually to leave to question. 507 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,860 But in our system, money rules everything. 508 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,380 And all you have to do is look at any campaign across the world, 509 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,970 especially in the western world, to see that money and the 510 00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:40,620 financial support from financial backers, the financial industry itself, 511 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,830 such as in America, we have Barack Obama now, 512 00:28:42,970 --> 00:28:44,970 who's heavily backed by Wall Street. 513 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:48,420 He completely destroyed McCain and his financial backing. 514 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,370 His funding is heavily financial and corporate. 515 00:28:52,510 --> 00:28:55,220 They put people in power that support the industry at large. 516 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,530 The United States, for example, is just a large corporation. 517 00:28:57,660 --> 00:28:59,660 - Of course it is - And just like the UK or anything else 518 00:28:59,770 --> 00:29:02,050 And if people can't see that, then they really need to open their eyes 519 00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:04,190 Absolutely, and that's one of the things that people 520 00:29:04,290 --> 00:29:08,150 don't really think about much, is the real problem of money itself, 521 00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:10,300 and this is what Jacque Fresco thought about. 522 00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:14,840 And in his final conclusions, that I found, it made perfect sense to me. 523 00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:19,300 It's that you can't have balance or equality or a world without poverty 524 00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:22,010 or a world without war, or any of these, sort of, utopian, 525 00:29:22,150 --> 00:29:25,320 Christian ideals that people think about in a very traditional sense. 526 00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:29,820 Like, why can't we have people living in a balanced, 527 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,210 classless, non hierarchical, non elitist type of environment. 528 00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:37,190 Why is it that the elite always come to fruition? And to really 529 00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:41,150 figure it out, if you didn't recognize that the biggest tool, 530 00:29:41,290 --> 00:29:43,900 the biggest catalyst of this is the monetary system 531 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,180 because it perpetuates stratification. It perpetuates greed, 532 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,090 it perpetuates poverty, it perpetuates scarcity. 533 00:29:50,220 --> 00:29:52,500 Very quickly, one of the many things 534 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,180 I learned about "The Venus Project" very quickly is 535 00:29:56,530 --> 00:29:58,690 that the monetary system creates scarcity because 536 00:29:58,810 --> 00:30:01,730 scarcity is rewarded. So you can never have a world of abundance, 537 00:30:01,870 --> 00:30:04,090 you can never have a world where everyone is fed. Because, in such 538 00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:07,130 an environment, no-one can make money off of it. 539 00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:11,730 Inherently. So scarcity and deprivation is built into the system. 540 00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:16,110 Corruption, is built into the system. So, what he began to think about 541 00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:19,390 and what I'm advocating in the new film, which I very much support, 542 00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:21,450 and I have my own trains of thought too, it's not just 543 00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:24,150 "The Venus Project" and in fact it isn't just Jacque Fresco, 544 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,720 it's his underlying ideology that you have to start 545 00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:31,070 designing society to benefit humanity as a whole. 546 00:30:31,210 --> 00:30:33,800 And scarily enough to many people, in this fearful, 547 00:30:33,930 --> 00:30:37,070 new world order kind of environment of people who think this way 548 00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:40,500 you need a certain degree of technological world unification 549 00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:43,170 in order to do so. And when I say this, a lot of people say, 550 00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:45,550 "woah, that's like one world government". 551 00:30:45,850 --> 00:30:48,950 - Yes, that's been on a lot of people's lips actually. - Yes it has. 552 00:30:49,090 --> 00:30:53,300 - They've very scared about how we could go down that path. - Sure. 553 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,580 But there is an inherent fallacy to these notions, 554 00:30:56,950 --> 00:31:01,190 you need world unification, basically because the highest optimization 555 00:31:01,330 --> 00:31:03,980 of utilizing the planet would be an organization worldwide. 556 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,860 That's why I say I say technological and intellectual unification. 557 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,290 It's not that you could break down all the borders, and you'd have 558 00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:13,420 no countries, that's not at all. First of all countries are inherently 559 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,760 primitive. The monetary system and need for survival 560 00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,000 is what creates countries, essentially. 561 00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:22,860 Countries would exist in the future, hopefully as a form of organization. 562 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,370 It wouldn't be nationalism. - I was gonna say that, who's 563 00:31:25,510 --> 00:31:28,400 gonna run the show? Who's gonna be in charge? 564 00:31:28,540 --> 00:31:31,060 - We get rid of money, which they are trying to do anyway. 565 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,730 - Well, sort of. - They're trying to move the paper stuff out, 566 00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:36,270 where does it go from that? - They want to have a digital currency 567 00:31:36,410 --> 00:31:40,700 - That does affect a lot of economies if paper goes. - Well, yes. 568 00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:43,860 They can't control, the mechanism of paper 569 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,760 is traceable, and they used to have the pound, 570 00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:49,960 used to be supported by gold, and same with the dollar 571 00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:52,500 and now that's been gone, they just have these little things 572 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,310 they say it's fiat, basically. In the States they do. Eventually 573 00:31:55,450 --> 00:31:58,330 they're going to eradicate the currency, and you'll get to the point where 574 00:31:58,420 --> 00:32:01,520 there's no way to trace anything, to look at the numbers or the math. 575 00:32:01,660 --> 00:32:03,960 Like, I can look at the math, more or less, at the federal reserve 576 00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:07,040 and see how corrupt in the pyramid scheme that it is. You can look at 577 00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:10,750 the inflation, you can look at the depreciation of the dollar. 578 00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:14,220 You can look at all the attributes more or less still, once they 579 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,860 financially get to the point where they have the technology to do it, 580 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,490 they'll make it a complete illusion. Which is what it is anyway. 581 00:32:19,630 --> 00:32:21,800 Money isn't real. The only thing that is real are resources 582 00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:25,340 and that's what Jacque Fresco recognized. So you have to move past 583 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,460 this, and realize that resources are really what's important 584 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,960 and until we utilize the resources, and utilize our 585 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:35,210 intellectual creativity, which is what creates technology, 586 00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:37,810 which is really what everything is in regard to 587 00:32:37,950 --> 00:32:40,400 what helps us on a very utility based level. 588 00:32:40,540 --> 00:32:44,170 Everything is technology, from this chair to this... 589 00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:46,310 - Why don't we just talk about the technology 590 00:32:46,450 --> 00:32:50,260 if I can just jump in there - Sure - I'm fascinated about 591 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,780 how do we get rid of the oil and the pollution. 592 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,860 And if you could just talk about solar energy 593 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,540 and geothermal? - Geothermal energy - That's the one. 594 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,170 - There are so many different forms of energy out there, we are 595 00:33:01,310 --> 00:33:05,180 restricted to oil or anything only because of the corporate structure. 596 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,860 So there is no sustainability in this type of system because 597 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,610 there is a need for self preservation, which inherently 598 00:33:10,750 --> 00:33:14,000 is corrupt. Because systems that have, you know they... 599 00:33:14,130 --> 00:33:16,780 Evolution continues in an emergent cycle, and we discover 600 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,160 certain things, and we are always going to discover something better. 601 00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:21,650 But what happens in the monetary system is, because money is made off 602 00:33:21,790 --> 00:33:25,430 of one institution, they don't want to change. And until they can get 603 00:33:25,570 --> 00:33:28,990 the leverage to maneuver themselves... - Exactly, into something else. 604 00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:32,480 - Like they want to bring in hydrogen into America. 605 00:33:32,620 --> 00:33:35,470 Why? because they can use the same infrastructure as gasoline, 606 00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:38,210 as opposed to say, battery technology, which at this day and age 607 00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:41,430 could be unbelievable if they actually maximized the potential of it. 608 00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:43,880 Given how small microchips and everything is now, there's no reason 609 00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:46,340 that you couldn't have a battery in a car that could run for, 610 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,060 eventually, a thousand miles, on one charge. It's just insane 611 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,780 to think that we can't do that, because we certainly can. 612 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,130 So, it's parasitic, it's paralyzing, is what the system is. 613 00:33:56,270 --> 00:33:58,950 We're paralyzed. - And parasitic - Well, parasitic inherently, 614 00:33:59,090 --> 00:34:02,640 but as far as the actual progress, we're paralyzed. 615 00:34:02,780 --> 00:34:04,810 So technological progress is restricted because of 616 00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:07,310 the monetary system and the need for self-preservation. 617 00:34:07,450 --> 00:34:10,010 - But how do we make this jump from? - Well, you have to have a shift. 618 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:13,810 - This "Venus Project", the utopia? - That's the most difficult question, 619 00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:16,490 - Exactly, how will we do it? - It'll take a shift in consciousness 620 00:34:16,630 --> 00:34:19,270 People will have to realize what's important. Unfortunately, we have 621 00:34:19,410 --> 00:34:23,160 so many dichotomous religions and world views... 622 00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:25,860 I'm not ignorant and naive to the difficulty of it, 623 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,730 but this is the path. This is what has to happen. 624 00:34:28,870 --> 00:34:31,370 You have to have people realize how they are interconnected 625 00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:34,370 symbiotically, and then simultaneously realize that everything 626 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:36,840 is emergent and changing. And those are two things 627 00:34:36,970 --> 00:34:39,140 that people don't recognize. The arrogance of religion is such 628 00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:42,490 where, people believe they are separate, that they are special. 629 00:34:43,630 --> 00:34:46,300 They think that they're different for some reason than a bug 630 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,000 or something; the reality is that there is no difference whatsoever. 631 00:34:50,580 --> 00:34:53,710 But, this is what they've been taught, this is our primitiveness 632 00:34:53,850 --> 00:34:57,320 that perpetuates, and keeps us divided and separated from nature. 633 00:34:57,650 --> 00:35:01,140 Because once you step back and realize how we're connected to nature 634 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,870 Well, first of all we're connected to nature with to the effect that, 635 00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:07,490 everything we do has a cause and effect. And with each other, 636 00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:10,210 and everything else, and with the environment. Corporate pollution 637 00:35:10,350 --> 00:35:13,030 is unbelievable, they don't care about the environment. 638 00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:17,150 No one is realizing this. So, when you realize that, 639 00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:19,310 you realize that in order to live in harmony with nature, 640 00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:22,100 you have to actually listen to nature, understand its processes, 641 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,260 its natural laws, in a line, there's no reason we should do anything 642 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,520 that's not sustainable. 75% of most production is waste. 643 00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:32,520 So to make anything, there is so much waste involved. 644 00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:36,950 Not to mention, for example, a computer is made out of materials 645 00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:40,610 that are only durable to the extent that the market system 646 00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:43,420 will allow for them to maintain market share. 647 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,700 So the highest form of resources aren't utilized, to make things 648 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,000 really long and efficient because, inherently, 649 00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:53,000 they have to keep market share so things get more and more cheap. 650 00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:56,620 - Everything's meant today to break down. - Planned obsolescence. 651 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,030 - Exactly, when I was a child, you'd have a hair dryer for example, 652 00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:04,400 and it would just last for ages! And now everything conks out, 653 00:36:04,530 --> 00:36:07,170 for want of a better word. In a year or two, 654 00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:09,920 it just breaks down. It's not built to last. 655 00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:13,520 - So it's unsustainable. - Unsustainable in that case, yes. 656 00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:16,490 - And that's very hideous for us 657 00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:19,790 because it has so many ramifications. From the landfills, 658 00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:22,550 to the pollution. So we're totally out of line with nature. 659 00:36:22,690 --> 00:36:24,950 So, the first thing that has to happen I think is people need to realize 660 00:36:25,090 --> 00:36:28,860 that all operations have to be environmentally aware, 661 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,660 period. And if you are in a position that it's not, 662 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,640 then you're doing something wrong, and the system 663 00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:37,780 obviously is wrong when you step back far enough. 664 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,150 Because the system doesn't reward any of that. 665 00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:43,970 So, I think, when that awareness comes forward, for example, 666 00:36:44,110 --> 00:36:46,540 Then people will begin to shift, and it's slowly happening. 667 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,450 Very slowly, unfortunately, because we're still paralyzed by the system. 668 00:36:49,590 --> 00:36:51,740 But more tangibly, the first thing I think needs to happen is that 669 00:36:51,860 --> 00:36:54,780 we need to build a new city, and if you look at "The Venus Project", 670 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,880 this is one of the things that they've advocated. We need to find 671 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,210 a place that has, a multi-mile radius and to build the first 672 00:37:01,350 --> 00:37:04,180 circular design which Fresco has been designing and advocating 673 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,300 for years, which is completely self sustainable. 674 00:37:08,970 --> 00:37:13,170 It could be a test city, so to speak. It could be an amusement park, 675 00:37:13,310 --> 00:37:16,700 it could be an experiment to show people what could be. 676 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,150 If they wanted it to be. So you'd have everything self-sustaining, 677 00:37:20,290 --> 00:37:23,360 you'd have everything made out of the most prime materials. 678 00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:25,910 Granted, we're still going to have to do this within the monetary system, 679 00:37:26,050 --> 00:37:28,410 so there'd have to be a lot of financial backing to do it. 680 00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:31,460 But it would set this precedent to show; "Hey, this can be done!" 681 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,700 We can have an environment where there is virtually no waste. 682 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,930 Everything is self sustainable. - But there is communities 683 00:37:36,070 --> 00:37:38,420 like that though, isn't there? - Small ones - I've heard of one, 684 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,490 an island actually, called, I think it's called the Unicorn, 685 00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:43,680 the Unicorn Project. - Sort of like a commune type thing? I'm not sure. 686 00:37:43,820 --> 00:37:46,480 - I think so, yes. People sort of give up 687 00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:48,630 the outside world and go and build a house, 688 00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:52,240 and live on the farm type of thing. - Sure, but because of the need 689 00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:55,240 to preserve, because of the financial restrictions of that. 690 00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:57,670 Since it's still in the monetary system, it doesn't reflect 691 00:37:57,810 --> 00:38:00,740 our advancements of technology. So, in this particular city, 692 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,210 you'd have the highest forms of transportation. 693 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,850 You'd have the maglev trains. - That looks fantastic actually! 694 00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:09,910 - You'd have no cars whatsoever, because everything is designed 695 00:38:10,050 --> 00:38:13,300 where you could get anywhere you'd want in the city with extreme ease. 696 00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:15,850 There are so many attributes to it. 697 00:38:15,980 --> 00:38:18,390 The homes that are made of materials that are all fireproof. 698 00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:21,120 There's no reason for a fire department because nothing can catch fire. 699 00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:23,690 Concepts like this, that no-one thinks about. 700 00:38:23,830 --> 00:38:27,090 Problems in this society are regulated by laws. 701 00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:30,500 The idea is actually to eliminate laws. 702 00:38:30,580 --> 00:38:33,560 So, essentially we have to create an example, 703 00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:36,040 to show the world what can be done 704 00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:39,490 because most people have no idea what's really technically feasible. 705 00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:41,960 And the technology we have today is, 706 00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:44,830 technology is really our divinity, so to speak, it's what we have, 707 00:38:44,970 --> 00:38:47,290 it's what we create to make our lives easier. 708 00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:50,220 I'm not saying that replaces other forms of spirituality. 709 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,490 But tangibly, the utility of technology 710 00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:57,000 is what creates freedom for us. Nothing else. 711 00:38:57,340 --> 00:38:59,590 There's nothing else that I can think of. 712 00:38:59,730 --> 00:39:04,160 Money and capitalism are tools to get through, 713 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:07,730 to make it a little more free, but at the cost of subservience 714 00:39:08,830 --> 00:39:12,800 and this vast type of class based vision 715 00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:16,740 Everyone who's wealthy does it at the cost of somebody else. 716 00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:19,990 Very simply, there's a balance to it, and there are many reasons 717 00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:23,340 for that, we need to eliminate that and get an environment design 718 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,950 where people actually live together, and they begin to establish 719 00:39:27,090 --> 00:39:29,250 a different train of though, a different consciousness 720 00:39:29,390 --> 00:39:32,400 where we'll get to a point where technology will be so advanced 721 00:39:32,540 --> 00:39:35,190 that there'll be no monotonous jobs. No-one's behind a cash register. 722 00:39:35,330 --> 00:39:37,330 There's no money, so there's no reason for that anyway. 723 00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:41,540 Most jobs, like law would vanish. There would only be technical issues 724 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,450 that would have to be dealt with. You maintain the environment 725 00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:47,110 and eventually people would do that because they want to contribute. 726 00:39:47,250 --> 00:39:50,410 They understand what their role is. Not that they want reward from it, 727 00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:53,170 not that they want to take. They want to give, because they realize 728 00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:56,330 that giving is what the system is. 729 00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:59,520 And it's much more natural to the human condition than just taking. 730 00:39:59,710 --> 00:40:02,210 And they realize something more important, in this system 731 00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:05,820 it's very primitive, because survival is associated with 732 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,290 taking and advantage, and getting a job and keeping it, 733 00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:13,500 and manipulating the environment, for your self interest. 734 00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:17,240 That is only beneficial to a certain degree. And that's what 735 00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:20,530 we've seen, because of the homelessness, the wars, 736 00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:24,000 the poverty, the disease epidemics that don't get any treatment. 737 00:40:24,140 --> 00:40:26,760 The death of millions of people in Africa 738 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,980 that no-one cares about. This is the cost of this. 739 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,430 So, what's going to happen is the consciousness will shift, 740 00:40:32,570 --> 00:40:35,250 people will give because they will recognize that if they don't, 741 00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:37,990 this is what's going to happen all over again. So it's in their own 742 00:40:38,130 --> 00:40:41,710 self interest in a different way, to actually contribute to society, 743 00:40:41,850 --> 00:40:44,040 and that's really the awakening that needs to happen. 744 00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:47,060 And that's what the entire element is completely about 745 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,160 with "The Venus Project" and "The Zeitgeist Movement", 746 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,940 which is a grass roots means to try and get this information 747 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,290 and understanding out there, and get people motivated 748 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,950 on a global level to move forward in this direction. 749 00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:59,190 I'm not naive enough to think this would happen overnight, 750 00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:01,960 I think it would take a few generations. 751 00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:06,520 - Well, what I'm worried about is, it all sounds absolutely fantastic 752 00:41:06,970 --> 00:41:09,620 If this could happen, and we could all work together 753 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,280 for a project such as like, "The Venus Project". 754 00:41:13,930 --> 00:41:16,910 But I think, unfortunately, the people who are in control at the top, 755 00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:21,440 they have got such power 756 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,150 - Sure - And every day you're seeing them, 757 00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:26,350 take more power. I mean, only this morning, 758 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,920 I saw something on the TV about taser guns coming in. 759 00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:33,220 And that really scares me, that these people, 760 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,220 well, police, can just shoot people down with these taser guns. 761 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,010 So, I feel like we're going backwards as people trying to go forwards. 762 00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:45,000 But then you're battling against this all the time. 763 00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:48,410 How do we make that switch 764 00:41:48,530 --> 00:41:50,940 in such a short amount of time? 765 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,910 - Well, in the short time we still have to do the general activism. 766 00:41:54,050 --> 00:41:57,000 We still have to combat these things on a fundamental level. 767 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,100 At the traditional level, the protest and activism level. 768 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,470 But I think over time, the power elite is only as powerful 769 00:42:04,610 --> 00:42:06,640 as the people that support their system, 770 00:42:06,740 --> 00:42:09,150 which is why I advocate at the end of the new film to start boycotting 771 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,400 different attributes of the system. For instance, 772 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,070 if no-one ever joined the military, ever again, universally, 773 00:42:15,210 --> 00:42:18,080 there would be no war. There'd be no reason for it. 774 00:42:18,220 --> 00:42:22,220 Because the military establishment is essentially.. 775 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,750 The more power one country has, it just means that another country 776 00:42:26,890 --> 00:42:30,500 has to get that much power. So you just stop it. Period. 777 00:42:31,450 --> 00:42:34,600 For one, war is irrelevant anyway for multiple reasons, 778 00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:36,950 But in the end, if they didn't have the military, 779 00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:39,010 there would be no grounds for so many different things. 780 00:42:39,150 --> 00:42:41,150 They would have no means of control. - Absolutely 781 00:42:41,250 --> 00:42:44,570 - And then the police would eventually go too. Awareness would shift 782 00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:47,560 in the human mind, where people that are police officers 783 00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:50,470 or military men they would say: "why am I supporting this system, 784 00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:53,900 when I realize, in the long run, I'm actually hurting myself?" 785 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,860 - And others, your family and people who are close to you, yeah. 786 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,000 - Of course - Because who are you fighting against? We're all 787 00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:02,140 walking around on the same planet. - Right. Even more profoundly, 788 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,690 there really is no "they". I really believe that. 789 00:43:04,830 --> 00:43:07,450 I mean there is obviously a "they" in a temporal sense, 790 00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:10,820 there is an arrogant group of people that have maintained power 791 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,070 for long periods of time, and they continue to do so, 792 00:43:13,210 --> 00:43:16,600 and we still support that. There is really, only, us. 793 00:43:16,830 --> 00:43:21,410 And as long as we focus on "they", at a cognitive level, 794 00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:24,640 a "psychic level", so to speak, they will always exist. 795 00:43:24,780 --> 00:43:27,760 Until that consciousness awakens as well, until we realize 796 00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:30,040 that there really is no "they". - Because we, 797 00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:33,170 well, not me personally, but people give them the power. 798 00:43:33,310 --> 00:43:35,310 - Yes. They give it up and - Give it up, yeah. 799 00:43:35,410 --> 00:43:38,400 - And they support the systems that have been created by them. 800 00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:42,260 But it's actually us. So that's one of the more cataclysmic 801 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,400 things that people don't really realize on a fundamental level, 802 00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:47,470 that there really is no "they". So I don't advocate activists 803 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,000 that perpetuate this, you know, we have to battle the new world order, 804 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,890 or battle this and that. They don't really get it, 805 00:43:54,030 --> 00:43:57,110 as far as I'm concerned. I don't like that. 806 00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,860 I think they have to realize. There is a reason peace protesters 807 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,800 are met with guys with automatic weapons. Because they are waiting 808 00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:04,940 for the peace protesters to do something to bring them 809 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,650 to their own level with the automatic weapons so they can use it. 810 00:44:07,790 --> 00:44:12,050 They want the conflict. So conflict isn't going to resolve anything. 811 00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:15,620 The more we battle something, the more the battle is going to go on. 812 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,130 So, that's something people need to think about. 813 00:44:18,270 --> 00:44:21,000 - But we have to do peaceful battles. - Yes. 814 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,120 Well, it's more of an awareness shift. - And spread knowledge, yes. 815 00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:27,000 It is about the awareness. And making people wake up. 816 00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:30,000 Well, I would just love to spend more time with you. 817 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,860 - I know, hopefully.. - And I'm nowhere, absolutely on the clock here. 818 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,540 - But it's been fantastic, so please come and talk to us again. - Yeah 819 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,000 - When you come back to England, I hope that's going to be soon. 820 00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:43,000 And thank you so much for your time. - Thank you, I really appreciate it. 821 00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:47,250 Many thanks to Peter for giving us his time. 822 00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:51,600 For more information see www.zeitgeistmovie.com 823 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,200 and the Zeitgeist movement site www.thezeitgeistmovement.com 824 00:44:56,300 --> 00:44:59,090 Presented by Karen Frandsen 825 00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:02,700 Camera and Sound - Ian Pleasance 826 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,250 Theme Music - Mark Cocking and Rod Giles 827 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,800 Graphics - Neal Pleasance Design 828 00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:13,500 Researchers - Karen Frandsen 829 00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:17,100 and Lisa Herbert 830 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,500 Editing and Post Production - The Eerie Investigations Team 831 00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:24,000 Director - Ian Pleasance 832 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,200 Copyright © Eerie Investigations 833 00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:30,850 For more interviews and investigations visit www.eerieinvestigations.com